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I don't love the language. It was patented. It could have been licensed no? The patent holder refused licensing at any price?



It was a completely obvious idea that, when the patent expired, was immediately widely adopted. It's clear in this case that the patent retarded progress rather than promoting it.


Everything is obvious once you know the secret. This went under patent protection in 2000, which is decades into the hunt for PV improvements and decades into gallium doping silicon substrate (which started in the 50s at the dawn of transistors.) Papers from the early 2000s talk about this improvement and about open questions regarding the cell lifetime and mixing gallium and germanium ratios, so it does not appear to be as obvious as you suggest.


But did the applicants of the patent show a working model? Or did they just patent a bunch of possible improvements in the hope that one of them would lead to a breakthrough?


If you read the patent [1], you would see that a lot of the claims are around the process and environment that is necessary to get the proper doping. In particular, it seems to involve some rather specific pressure control within the crucible as well as control of the amount of oxygen in the crucible by using argon as a buffer gas. This patent is less about the use of gallium to dope the silicon as it is about a specific and precise manufacturing process that is necessary to prevent the whole ingot from having too much resistance or having a lifetime worse than a boron-doped silicon ingot.

[1] https://patents.google.com/patent/US6815605B1/en


Random thought to throw out. Value patents based on the amount of work required to come up with them. So patenting some random shower thought is worth what you put into it. And what you can recover in a lawsuit is also tied to that.

"Yeah we violated your 'something but on the internet patent' Here's a $50 Home Depot card."


How will you objectively measure "amount of work required to come up with them"? That sounds rather infeasible.


The same way the government funds any kind of project.

Contractor says: we can do this for $X.

Government says yes or no to the project.

You do the same for patent applications.

It's basically answering the question "how much is this technology worth to society?" If they don't pay for it, then the technology will end up as a trade secret.


This is actually already a part of the patent system, but not in the way you're thinking. If a contractor says publicly, "We can frotz quibbins with a turgut for $X," that counts as putting turgut-based quibbin-frotzing "on sale". This means that ⓐ nobody else can patent turgut-based quibbin-frotzing thereafter, and ⓑ the contractor themself only has a year to file a patent on turgut-based quibbin-frotzing from the date of that notice. This is called the "on-sale bar".

The idea is that patents are only supposed to be granted for novel, nonobvious things. If nobody had ever realized that turguts would be advantageous for frotzing quibbins, then you're an inventor if you figured out how to do it, and you can get a government-granted monopoly. But presumably if you're offering to sell someone a turgut-based quibbin-frotzing product, even if you haven't actually built it yet, you must be pretty sure it's workable and worthwhile. And now anybody else can go ahead and start frotzing the quibbins with a turgut now that you've pointed out how, and although the patent law gives you a bit of a grace period to patent it, it doesn't give you unlimited leeway.

If it turns out that the turgut has to be freebled first, then you (or anybody else) might be able to patent the freebling part at any later date, since that wasn't in the original offer to sell. But only if the need for freebling wouldn't be obvious to one skilled in the art.

So, basically, patents are intended for things that are not known to be possible until someone figures out how to do them. Lemelson got away with some pretty shameless exploitation of the loopholes in these criteria, a lot of which are now closed.


How do we measure the value of anything objectively.

But there is a world of difference between, 100's of people working for a decade on a problem kind of patents. And someone sitting on their couch for an afternoon patents. You seriously want to protect the former. And not really the latter.


Everything is obvious once you know the secret.

Man, I hate this argument. A secret is a secret because it's not obvious. If something is naturally likely to be invented by the first person who happens to encounter the problem it solves, it's not a "secret."

That seems to have been what happened here. Society does not benefit from granting a government-enforced 20-year monopoly on things like this. In fact, the cost in terms of wasted energy is incalculable. Patents wall off entire areas of R&D in many instances; we literally don't know what they cost us to grant.


Since both gallium doping and PV panels predate this patent application by several decades I think that it is incredibly ignorant to think that this was obvious. Like a magic trick, once you know the secret it appears obvious, but until someone shows you or tells you how it works you have no chance of figuring it out. This whole 'anyone would have eventually figured it out' argument is the equivalent of saying 'draw the rest of the damn owl'; if it could have been done as easily as you suggest then it would have been done earlier.

Gallium (as GaAs) was being used in solar cells in the mid 60s. A quick search finds papers from the late 70s describing different effects of boron and gallium doping of silicon for solar cells to extend the life of satellites (the effect of the patent in question is to extend the working lifetime of panels so that solar radiation does not damage the panel.) So apparently this was so obvious that the first person who happened to encounter it missed it. It was then missed over and over and over again for at least 20 years and possibly 35.

Yeah, definitely something "likely to be invented by the first person who happens to encounter the problem it solves"...


I'm not a lawyer, but have been involved in IP issues. What I've learned is that obviousness is phenomenally difficult to prove.


I'm not talking about proving it in court, I'm asking you to consider it in your own mind. When the problem with boron doping was realized, how long do you think it would have taken everyone to go down that column of the periodic table and use gallium instead? It's not like there was a huge selection of elements to chose from.


I really don't think obviousness is obvious.

Just looking at the field of software process, there are things I've been doing for 20 years that sure seem obvious to me and that I thought would be obvious to everybody else in short order. But here we are and the dominant process approach has gone from "chaotic waterfall" to "chaotic waterfall with Scrum jargon and modestly shorter delivery cycles".


Well, since you obviously can't be bothered to do the research I will tell you. It didn't take them long at all. There were studies looking at the impact of boron-doping and gallium-doping back in the 70s. So why was a patent issued in 2000 that everyone has been waiting to expire? Why hadn't we moved from boron-doped PV substrate to gallium-doped substrate in the two decades between those points? Maybe that is the question you should have been asking.

Turns out that it is incredibly fucking hard to manufacture silicon ingots with the correct doping but without too much oxygen in them that make the gallium-doped wafers perform worse than boron-doped ones. Everyone knew gallium was a better target, no one had a fucking clue how to make them at scale or at an acceptable cost. Figuring this out is ENTIRELY what this patent is about.


Maybe they were the first to discover the problem?


Possibly, but I’d like to pose a relevant question: had they discovered it and then chosen to keep quiet, how long would it have been before someone else discovered it independently?

Answer: definitely less than 20 years. So why then should the first group to discover this be given 20 years of exclusivity?

People claim that this promise of exclusivity drives the research. On the other hand, why pour money into research if there’s a strong chance that my competitor will beat me to the punch and then forbid me from making use of the equivalent outcome that my own research yields (and of the in-house talent I developed along the way)?


> Possibly, but I’d like to pose a relevant question: had they discovered it and then chosen to keep quiet, how long would it have been before someone else discovered it independently?

>Answer: definitely less than 20 years. So why then should the first group to discover this be given 20 years of exclusivity?

What is absolutely hilarious about your musings here is that you are completely, 100% wrong. You make un-informed guesses and manage to get just about every aspect of the issue completely wrong. Well done.

Would you like to know when it was known that gallium-doped silicon substrate was going to perform well and possibly better than boron-doped substrate? At least the mid-70s. Would you like to know when this patent was issued? 2000. So for almost 25 years everyone KNEW gallium was better. It was literally sitting out there on every periodic table on the planet and for some reason no one produced gallium-doped PV cells at scale or cost. Why is that?

Maybe because the trick was not knowing that gallium is what you wanted to dope the silicon with, but in knowing HOW TO ACTUALLY PULL IT OFF. For more than two decades it was staring everyone in the face. For more than two decades everyone knew what the target was. For more than two decades NO ONE DID IT. That is why the first group to figure out how to manufacture gallium-doped silicon with the proper amount of other components were given exclusivity, because if they had not managed to do it then maybe we would all still be waiting for gallium-doped PV cells.


If you look at the references in the patent this doesn't appear to be the case.


Well in that case surely someone would have challenged the patent and got it invalidated.


I don't see how this works out economically. Having the patent invalidated is a public good. Fighting a patent in court is expensive and risky. Why should any particular company fight a patent for the benefit of its competitors, and against some decently-well-funded conglomerate, when it's already trying to make it in a competitive field?


if it was obvious, why wasn't it obvious until the patent?


Widely adopted idea that nobody felt was worth licensing? So more of a nice to have?


The patent holder, Shin-Etsu Chemical, did license the technology. They licensed it to to JA Solar, Longi and Trina Solar, all large solar panel makers in China. JA Solar panels have had gallium doping since Q3 2020.[1]

The article somehow doesn't mention that.

JA mentions gallium, but they seem to consider the weather-tightness of the surface film to be a bigger factor in lifespan.

[1] http://taiyangnews.info/technology/taiyangnews-500w-conferen...


2020Q3 is after the patent expired in May 2020.


Yeah real good argument for patents not impeding progress with no tangible societal benefit...


Perhaps one manufacturer had obtained an exclusive license, preventing the rest of the industry from using this technology?


Usually when you sign an exclusive license, you also have the ability to sub-license/assign it.

Creditors/investors don't like backing something if the asset disappears if the business itself doesn't work out.


An alternative idea to the ones mentioned here already: Perhaps they simply didn't want to give away the fact that gallium doping is an idea worth holding onto. By letting the patent timeout they save themselves tonnes of licensing money in the future, whilst also offering a reason for customers to upgrade.

More cynically, they may have preferred the fact that the panels would degrade over time, driving sales. Now that the patent is expiring, they either dope with gallium or lose customers to their competitors.




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