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I'm curious what data is underlying the claim in the headline. Are these animators leaving the industry entirely, or just quitting one job and taking another?



I think they quit the anime jobs entirely and move to more marketable jobs like graphics design. This 90% claim is more or less anecdotal, as I read that the industry veterans say that they saw only 1 out of 10 young people survived in this industry. Many work environments are similar to each other: there's no written contract and they have almost no unemployment insurance, etc. I don't understand how those anime lovers turn blind eyes to this and still somehow "enjoy" anime. It's horrible, horrible stuff.

A detailed survey in Japanese: http://www.janica.jp/survey/survey2019Report.pdf


> Many work environments are similar to each other: there's no written contract and they have almost no unemployment insurance, etc. I don't understand how those anime lovers turn blind eyes to this and still somehow "enjoy" anime. It's horrible, horrible stuff.

do you only "enjoy" art from artists who have good corporate jobs, or live in countries with UBI?

no? hmm.


There’s a digital agency that does a lot of animation across the street from me. The normal car you see in the lot is a 2006 Kia. They are mostly 1099 workers doing multiple things.

The other thing about art creatives is that many get suckered into fancy art schools, and have insane debt loads.


The few animators I have known personally said the hours were grueling, the pay was so so, and they all wanted to move up to "Technical Director" or "Lighting Director" as soon as possible. (And I think most of them did.) Though I'm not sure if they quit the industry entirely after that.


Neither Technical Director or Lighting Director are roles that would naturally progress from being an animator.


Neither does “product/project manager” progress naturally from “software engineer,” but it’s a moderately common progression in the real world.


I suspect the comment came from someone who was confusing "people who work in animation" with "people who are Animators." I have known a great many Technical Directors who wanted to be Animators. I have known only one Animator who wanted to be a Technical Director, and he faced no significant obstacles in transitioning to become one.


Those are more logical progressions from a software engineer.

It would be shocking if there were a large number of animators vying to be technical directors.

There are many TDs who may want to be an animator, and some animators who want to be TDs. But they're the minority. Ones a heavily art based discipline, the other is heavily tech based. There's significantly more demand vs supply for TDs than animators. It just doesn't make logical sense that they'd know multiple animators trying to get into a TD role, because it's the easier role to get. It makes equally little sense for them to know multiple animators trying to become lighters.

The person I replied to is probably commiting the age old foible of describing all people working in animation as animators.




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